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EP.022 - Joel Cherry Tree // Artist ( Musician & Graphic Artist )
Episode 22 - Joel Cherry Tree // Artist.
“Joel Cherry Tree - what a name, right? I was first introduced to Joel by our mutual friend Karina on a music video set I was directing last year. Joel came out to support the video, and I think that’s a huge part of what he’s all about. He supports musicians he loves by being a band and tour manager, he supports brands like Honey TV with his unique illustration and graphic art style, and he supports all of his fans and friends in the scene with the music he offers us all—which really just touches on some of the most intimate and beautiful parts of being human. To me, Joel’s a really solid dude, and I was hyped to chop it up with him here in the studio. I think you’re gonna dig this conversation.
Also, I’m really excited to announce that at the end of the pod we have an exclusive early release from his upcoming album, a song by the name of “Your Floor” - it’s such a beautiful song and I’m so hyped Joel is sharing this with all of us BEDROOM BOOS™! We love you Joel!
In this episode of BEDROOM™, Joel talks about being a band and tour manager and how his deep involvement in music has opened up many doors for him in his creative life. He shares his thoughts on painting and how his daily routine has helped fuel his creative output. From there, we dive in early, with a listener-submitted question from BEDROOM™ Alumni Jesse Nyberg, the Los Angeles-based graphic designer. Joel talks about how his visual art style has evolved and then deep dives into why he loves drawing on a laptop trackpad. We discuss his upcoming album, JESUS, and Joel shares some behind-the-scenes details on his songwriting and music-making process. He also talks about collaborating with my dear friend, musician Mae Powell, who is featured on the upcoming album. Additionally, Joel shares insights into his involvement with Honey TV and Mom Jeans.
Finally, after all that, we wrap up with a round of BEDROOM BANTER™, where I rapid-fire some classic BEDROOM™ questions, and Joel gives the fans what they want. Big shout-out to Joel for coming onto the pod. Welcome to the BEDROOM™, y’all! WORLDWIDE PEACE!” - PSG
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SPEAKER_04:Episode 22, Joel Cherrytree, Artist. Joel Cherrytree, what a name, right? I was first introduced to Joel by our mutual friend Karina on a music video set I was directing last year. Joel came out to support the video and I think that's a huge part of what he's all about. He supports musicians he loves by being a band and tour manager, he supports brands like HoneyTV with his unique illustration and graphic art style, and he supports all of his fans and friends in the scene with the music he offers us all, which really just touches on some of the most intimate and beautiful parts of being human. To me, Joel's a really solid dude, and I was hyped to chop it up with him here in the studio. I think you're gonna dig this conversation. Also, I'm really excited to announce that at the end of the pod, we have an exclusive early release from his upcoming album, a song by the name of Your Floor. It is such a beautiful song, and I am so, so, so hyped Joel is sharing it with all of us bedroom booze. We love you, Joel. So stay tuned to the end of the episode if you want to hear this banger. In this episode of Bedroom, Joel talks about being a band and tour manager and how his deep involvement in music has opened up many doors for him in his creative life. He shares his thoughts on painting and how his daily routine has helped fuel his creative output. From there, we dive in early with a list submitted question from Bedroom alumni Jesse Nyberg, the Los Angeles-based graphic designer. Joel talks about how his visual art style has evolved and then deep dives into why he loves drawing on a laptop trackpad. We discuss his upcoming album, Jesus, and Joel shares some behind-the-scenes details on his songwriting and music-making process. He also talks about collaborating with my dear friend, musician Mae Powell, who is featured on the upcoming album. Additionally, Joel shares insights into his involvement with Honey TV and Mom Jeans. Finally, after all that, we wrap up with a round of bedroom banter where I rapid fire some classic bedroom questions and Joel gives the fans what they want. Big shout outs to Joel for coming on to the pod. Welcome to the bedroom, y'all. You
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SPEAKER_04:feel like with tech being in the Bay Area, you've gotten more art opportunities?
SPEAKER_02:No. It would be nice to branch into that just on a commission basis, but... I actually think when I'm like in LA or New York or when I'm traveling around cities that are more art focused or like more bands and like young people kind of like trying to make art, I feel like that's where I'll get more commission just because I'm more the guy like we're doing this record and then they see me and they're like, oh Joel's at the bar he should just do the t-shirt part of the scene dude yeah that's the beauty of it though it's tricky out here where I think there's there are a lot of artists and like musicians but there aren't really like a lot of management or like label type people. And I get a lot of work through that also.
SPEAKER_04:I do a lot of music, a lot of work in music, but I'm strictly a visual artist. The thing about you though, is you're a musician and you're a visual artist among other things, like a creative director and manager and all this stuff. So it's kind of like, you can kind of bridge the gap between these things very seamlessly, I would imagine, huh?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think that the creative designer or creative director and artist, like illustrative and graphic design artist, kind of gets me in the room a lot of places where I feel like maybe the people I work with in that sphere are more popular. But then I get to be like, hey, like, check out my song also. Or we can level as peers
SPEAKER_04:also. Do you identify, not that we're such complex beings as humans, obviously, but some people identify what they do over another thing. Do you feel like you're more of a visual artist or more of a musician? Or is it kind of like a 50-50 thing? Yeah. Or maybe it's depending upon what day of the week it is or something.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think only maybe two or three years ago I decided I'm just going to call myself an artist. I feel like I was putting that off for a decade. But, yeah, mostly because it's so multidisciplinary that, yeah, I think that I like to try to absorb it all into one. Yeah. Where hopefully even the client work– like designs and then the music I make and you know I paint also like all those things kind of can exist as one body yeah that that hopefully plays off itself and right that's the goal so I think having a title artist is something that helps me compartmentalize all that into one thing yeah that makes sense
SPEAKER_04:I feel like I struggle with that like when I am at like a you know a party or whatever and someone I don't know is like oh what do you do I just freeze up I kind of like depending upon the crowd like maybe I'll give a different answer but the reality is like yeah I do filmmaking sometimes I do animating other times I draw and sometimes I do graphic design but it's like I feel like if you say all those things at least in my opinion it feels like a little pretentious cause like you're like I do like 45 things
SPEAKER_02:you know I mean it's the only thing that has kept me I think in in the freelance capabilities like is is when I because I also tour manage. So when I'm out on tour, I don't really have time to make music or make any art. But we're constantly in the room with other bands and labels. And even at the shows, we'll meet just fans of the band that come out to see them. And I think everything kind of works together in a good networking sort of way. But yeah, I think it can totally be pretentious when I'm like a list off. Here's everything I've done in the last decade.
SPEAKER_04:yeah I know like when I go back home and I see people and they're like what have you been up to and I'm like every week it's like a different thing I live the most like ADHD ass life and I can't keep track of it sometimes you know
SPEAKER_02:yeah I like a routine though that's goals for me yeah I am lucky where I can kind of have my work window is just like noon to six. And before then I tried to just get out and like hike or something and get a coffee and like draw at a cafe. And then from noon to six, I will like email and phone call and kind of do like, I'm my own assistant on my own. Like all the logistics for Joel life has to happen then or nothing. Then after six, it's like, all right, now I'm, I'm at home chilling. Totally.
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SPEAKER_04:my little basic ghetto ass bedroom research, it sounds like you're from Henderson out in Las Vegas.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I grew up in Las Vegas, like from middle school to college. So I lived there for like 10 years, basically.
SPEAKER_04:And that's where, it was your first band, Alaska? Yeah, yeah. And they're from Las Vegas?
SPEAKER_02:Yep, yeah. We met, I mean, I've known those guys since like middle school, basically. And yeah, we formed the band Alaska when we were in high school. And that was the first band that really toured all over. We did for US, Canada. We played in Europe all over. We played in the UK. Kraken. Yeah. Yeah. That was like the grind. And it was kind of more punk, kind of screamo music that... I met almost, you know, it was like super formative time, and I met a lot of people. I met Mom Jeans, who I continue to work with. I managed them for four or five years, and now I'm creative director for them. And they're from Berkeley. That's kind of how I ended up out here. Okay. But, yeah, I'd say, like, the management– and the creative director stuff, and the music that had been released, all that on my website is kind of a one friend group kind of thing. And for a lot of time, I think I was just a responsible party. hey everyone else like in mom jeans everybody is working on the music and that's the focus and then i'm kind of like the extra guy who i handled all the merch all the tour logistics eventually like talking to lawyers and like labels and dealing with everything you know and then it's like okay well maybe i am a band manager um and i handle that stuff for just friends which sam plays in both Mom Jeans and Just Friends. So I help them out with a ton of stuff. We kind of co-manage that project. And then Graduating Life is a band that I filled in playing bass for a long time ago. And then that is also a member of Mom Jeans band. And so I help them on tour with all that stuff. And that is a bit less co-managing, but I kind of just have it all there okay okay yeah i think the fans of those bands would be interested in in that like dichotomy or lore but it's kind of just i just dealt with all the emails yeah i mean someone's got to do it exactly yeah and i like it i think I enjoy managing, uh, again, it's like an exercise that is less creative, more logistic. And, and yeah, I think the, when I was managing mom jeans, one of the last things I did was like our taxes for like three years, I was like organizing all of that. And then I thought this is awful. Like no one, no one should have to deal with
SPEAKER_04:this. Yeah. You just become like interim CPA basically.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Oh yeah. And I've read like books on music, man, And I've seen, you know, I've, I've went down that rabbit hole maybe someday again, like, uh, when I'm like 40, I feel like managing as a job for like a 40, 45 year old. That's
SPEAKER_04:pretty accurate. I feel like a lot of the band managers I've talked to are usually
SPEAKER_02:up there. Yeah. Cause you have to be able, you have to be networked and you have to have like some sort of leverage with people. Otherwise you are just like a 28 year old sending emails and that's not, the most fun place to be
SPEAKER_04:yeah why just because you think that like people aren't taking you seriously or something or
SPEAKER_02:no I think that you as a band manager I think the main role is to be this like vector that all kind of good news bad news passes through before it goes to the band and so you're supposed to be able to protect them from a lot of things that distract from art and from music and and it's just a lot to be to deal with as a young person where you don't maybe have the resources to like really fix a lot of problems. So then it's like every day is like, okay, how do I figure out how to deal with this thing? I think with more experience, you can kind of take things in stride better. And also, i think there's a different uh relational aspect like as a young band manager when i talk to somebody for help who is another manager or lawyer or whatever they're all people i'm going to for experience and they you know maybe there's like a mentor type relationship but i think that you can't fully rely on that like i'm I'm thinking that there should be a more balance of information and help given. So. Okay. A little bit confusing, but no,
SPEAKER_04:no, it's, it's, that's cool. I mean, that's kind of the beauty is like, I feel like for people like us who have a myriad of different interests, I don't know. It's sort of like the Jack of all trades, master of none. I always kind of joke about like the Jack of all trades, master of a few potentially, but it kind of just like, I think it's cool. Cause I feel like in a way I could imagine how being a band manager, like there's obviously like tough parts of it, like taxes, like, yeah, that doesn't sound fun, but I could imagine there's some also like really rewarding stuff. And you're also still just like, you know, you're like the security blanket for a creative act. You know what I mean? Like they can rely on you. And I would imagine that is a nice feeling.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah. I think it is so rewarding. I think even tour managing, which I kind of, have been in that role longer is so rewarding like we show up and we make a show happen from nothing like every single bit of merch and like the schedule and the show poster and like the bands that are playing and even like the music that plays in the venue like we're responsible for every single thing that happens across the country and a bunch of different places for people that you know maybe don't always have access to art and music and i think seeing a show play out like we did a show at the hollywood palladium in la which is like 3600 or something and um just to even put on a show for that many people is like such an undertaking. And then when it plays out, I think even that show, there was a bunch of technical difficulty and it was like a total nightmare of a gig. But at the end of it, we all get to breathe a big sigh and be like, we maybe did something good. No, you
SPEAKER_04:totally did.
SPEAKER_02:And then we wake up tomorrow and it's like, all right, go again, try again. Yeah,
SPEAKER_04:I love that because when I'm at concerts and I'm seeing friends play, And I talked to him about it later. They'll be like, oh, this went wrong or that went wrong or this. But then as just someone in the audience, I'm like, I thought it was pretty cool. I didn't see any of the bad parts of that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I never thought of it this way. But if you think of it like a painting, there's just going to be little funky moments in there. And you can paint over them. But isn't it nice when you can see things? through a painting and there's like, there's just little moments that happen at some point and they stand out because they are not right. They are weird. So I think that show is one in particular that stands out like, damn, we dealt with a lot of bullshit on that, but, um, it's a show I think about because it has that.
SPEAKER_04:The bullshit is beautiful.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We overcame and, uh,
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's nice to see the humanity in things, too. We're not all perfect, and that's what's kind of rad about shit. Yeah,
SPEAKER_02:and that's the other best thing about traveling around is we go and we work with all these different venues, all these people who we never meet or really interface with otherwise, and we get to work together. We get to collaborate on this event every night. So surprisingly to me, I never really thought that I would be fulfilled there. by that but it is a great balance to to working as an artist like a musician solo musician or a painter or a graphic designer we're really I'm sitting alone at a computer or in a studio.
SPEAKER_04:It's nice to be collaborative with people, community, and stuff.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Well, in a totally overwhelming way. We've got this machine to make work. How do we do that?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, speaking of these metaphors of painting and stuff, I know that clearly you do a lot of graphic design, illustrative work and stuff. But I didn't know that you were interested in painting as well. Is that a new thing, or is that something that's kind of like been under the scenes for a little bit or what's your relationship with painting like?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah I think what's nice I mean I've been painting since like college so I just went to UNLV which is in Las Vegas and that was like I was going there for an English degree so but yeah I took painting classes back then and since then like just casually painting paint and make art on a canvas, basically. I think what is nice about it is it's an aspect of my practice that isn't totally commercialized or for any client work. It's definitely in the hobby and enjoyment uh like category
SPEAKER_04:that's like so important seriously i feel like that's what kind of this is for me and i i feel like the same with filmmaking it's like my living isn't dependent upon it oh yeah and it's so nice to have something that i just do because i want to do
SPEAKER_02:it you know painting as a career would be brutal i think because as a freelancer all the money i make is what is like commercial? What is like gonna, what can we put on t-shirts that sells a t-shirt? Like the art of it barely matters to anyone probably but me. Yeah, totally, totally. Yeah, so like in a totally like bar, or like, not bar, but like a graph that determines the value of something. So yeah, painting is nice because I'm not thinking of anybody but, I'm not thinking of any, not even myself. I think painting is like, it passes through you and it's like, yeah, you're a vector for this life output. When I draw a t-shirt for mom jeans, it's not, it's not fully that. What's nice is I think in my, in my, work my freelance work i'm at that place where people do let me kind of do whatever i want and so i do get to express more i think in band merch than most designers get to potentially yeah yeah they want
SPEAKER_04:your
SPEAKER_02:voice yeah yeah they trust they trust that They also kind
SPEAKER_04:of know what they're probably signing up for at this point, too, you know?
SPEAKER_02:I'm, like, hardline in a zone. Like, are you not going to get, like, the regular band shirt?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I could do that, and I get infrequent commissions to do things like that. It's not awful, but there's an amount of freedom that is super nice. Like, hey, we need, like, six designs. Like, just... whatever
SPEAKER_04:six designs i feel like for some designers could feel like a lot but you're fucking cranking
SPEAKER_02:dude yeah well this is the other thing with the style that i've kind of been working in for the last three or four years now um part of it is like not only aesthetic like what i want to aesthetically make but also there's like parameters on it like how long does it take me to make And like I try to do daily projects and more like Instagram-focused work that is just drawings for people to look at. And that is totally– I can't spend all day doing that. So it's– there's like rules that I make for myself. Like, okay, these five designs, they should happen in like– two hours or something.
SPEAKER_04:Do you set a timer or do you just kind of like mentally know where you're at kind of thing?
SPEAKER_02:No, not a timer, but from my like routine earlier, I kind of am just locked in a time, you know, I think that it helps me to warm up for the work that I need to do. Usually that kind of stuff I'll do. pre sitting down and actually working
SPEAKER_03:okay
SPEAKER_04:well i want to transition because we're on a topic of it and i feel like i normally keep these for later in the pod um but i do have a listener submitted question and this is from jesse nyberg oh nice graphic designer in la we love jesse big fan and uh He says, ask him how he thinks his style has evolved over the past five years, and also if he's still drawing with the trackpad.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah, I still do all my work on a trackpad. I've had a few burn through a few laptops.
SPEAKER_04:See, that's what I wanted to get into, but why don't you answer his question about how you think your style has evolved first and then we'll talk trackpad stuff
SPEAKER_02:but yeah the style originated maybe from a daily project where I was like okay every day I want to make one drawing that represents like a diary diaretical like and it's illustrated and it's in like a meme format so I just kind of like boom here are the rules every day for my warm up work I would do that and I think eventually it had some traction on the internet. People were interested in seeing that. So it built up, I think, an audience of people who expected that sort of work. The quickness of it, the urgency of it probably is a better word. These are thoughts that just... they don't take too much to dissect it. Like it's very much like a- It's immediate. It's immediate. It's like a one page comic. It's one tile that just is a full narrative. And then that is challenging, I think. And once you get into doing that for like two or three weeks, a month, and then a year into doing that sort of work, you're really like, you have to learn how to process a narrative concept properly. and boil it down into something simple, which I think helps with songwriting and it helps with every other aspect of art. So I like that too, that there's this interplay between all the disciplines that I benefit from that thought process in my like daily life, but then also in like making music and painting and whatever. It's like, yeah. And the through line to all this stuff, I think is like poetry, which goes back to like, the English degree, which I love poetry basically.
SPEAKER_04:Do you think like when you are like out in the world, let's say you're on your morning hike or grabbing coffee or it's nighttime in your doom scrolling, reading the news of the world or whatever it may be, do you kind of like think of like, okay, I'm inspired by this thing, whether it's a good event or a bad event and I'm inspired to make something. Do you kind of think of like, how can I boil this down? down to make it into that really like kind of like you know minimalistic sort of like in terms of usage of words and you know iconography or drawings like do you kind of feel like it just comes naturally or is it something that you're kind of like it's a working muscle mentally that you're trying to develop or something
SPEAKER_02:yeah i i feel like when i am kind of consuming media especially yeah like tv shows movies music other graphic art like on on internet or whatever I think potentially I'm not really like processing it or making that attempt to but I am always listening for like It's almost the reverse of that, I think. I'm looking for what someone says that I think encapsulates or something. I'm looking for something small that references something big. And so, yeah. And in some media, a character will say just something that strikes me. And it's like, wow, that actually means everything that they're trying to say, but so much more. And then... And then it's like, how does that relate to the world at large and like, you know, current events, social things. And so, yeah, I think it's more like conversational and like signs. Like if I see like someone has written something on like the wall or whatever, I almost think that starting really small events, Is helpful. And then with the illustration and maybe the characters or whatever else I'm adding, then that creates this new world for the words. Sure,
SPEAKER_04:sure. You're like recontextualizing it, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because there's such a beauty in... In words. And so sometimes like when you hear something that you haven't heard in a long time or in a different context, that is like really inspiring. Yeah. I do think I would find it hard to like, let's say like I just saw Paddington 3. Awesome movie. So sick. Yeah, it's actually really good. And I don't know if I should even talk about it because it's like spoilers. But I think that... Wait, don't spoil it because I want to see it. It's really good. And I wouldn't want to spoil it. I think... The second one is a banger, dude. Second one is a banger. Hard for them to follow up on that. I think that they did. But, like, let's just say... Anyways, I can do it without spoilers, probably. Thank you. But, like, Paddington. I see that. I think it'd be hard for me to draw something that really visually, singularly, simply represented the whole movie... in a narrative sense to someone who hasn't seen it, like here's all the value in it. And Paddington 2, yeah, amazing movie, very deep, like conceptual thing. It's hard to package that tiny, but maybe there's something. Like a moment or something. Yeah. And then that is like, wow, let's take that and show people this thing. morsel this tiny thing and then they don't need to know what it's about they don't need it to it doesn't need the burden of of referencing that it can it can be its own strong little thing sure yeah that's when I get all my art music and drawing and painting and everything I'm like I really hope that this small thing that I offer can have the strength to to tell a story or something yeah
SPEAKER_04:yeah I mean it kind of makes me think of you know You got this new album coming out. And by the way, we're getting back to the track pad because we got to solve some shit here. I'm cool with it. I'm strong. I'm small and brave. Wait, am I feeling mighty to insult the track pad? Because I'm not. I'm more stoked on
SPEAKER_02:it. I mean, it comes from the total need. I was touring so much and doing so much graphic design in the back of vans or in a venue or, like, at, you know, somebody's kitchen island or whatever, like, just in every coffee shop, like, just making any location work to get some design done. And I had, like, I don't know if people use these still, the Wacom tablet, and, like, this is pre-iPad, and everyone has an iPad with the pencil now. But I've kind of just stayed away from it because... And even... You know, in the most like ergonomic and comfortable way, sitting and drawing just in your lap with your fingers is like, it's so absolutely, you could do it your whole life. Yeah. You know, there's no stress. I think holding a pencil, holding a brush, playing guitar, drums. Yeah, you're so cramped up. Oh my God. I mean, I'm glad I don't play guitar as much because I think playing guitar all those years totally like, I might've even avoided carpal tunnel somehow. Like I feel like I was having a really hard time with my wrist and now years later, somehow just chilling.
SPEAKER_04:The track pad helped you. Yeah. Have you, I mean, I get it. It's so, it's so punk and like, and it's ethos to just like, I'm not going to use these other drawing devices. That's what I thought. And then it also, it's just like, There's just, like, the reality of, like, it probably also aids in the development of your style and everything, too. And now it's just, like, synonymous with what you make, you know?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's the tricky thing is I do a lot of drawing in a sketchbook, like, at the cafe. And I like to draw people walking around. But, yeah, it just... You get a different look from drawing... regularly I guess or like traditionally maybe yeah and then drawing on the trackpad with just your finger yeah it kind of in a way simplifies it like into a childish place of like finger painting and like or I really think of like writing in in like concrete or mud or something you like you only really get one one shot to make the line or the shape And yeah, digitally you can totally correct and stuff, but I do try to keep it in like a flowy. You
SPEAKER_04:need to hold the line because I feel like graphic designers, illustrators, they're just going to come at you. They're like, why aren't you using the Wacom tablet? Why aren't you using the iPad? Like they don't want you to be
SPEAKER_02:able to do it. I mean, I think a lot of times I have to introduce myself as a graphic designer myself. to like a normal person. I think sometimes I say artist and it is so, it can be pretentious and out of touch. And so when I say graphic designer to somebody who works at like Tesla or something, they're like, oh, okay. Like, I get it. Like we have graphic designers. I know a graphic designer. Yeah. And
SPEAKER_04:it's like, I... Whereas if you were like, I'm an artist, they're like, can't compute.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Or they're like... what? Well, how do you make money? And I'm lucky. It just comes down to that, you know, it's insane. You know, well, I was just going to say as a graphic designer, I don't feel like I totally fit in. I know how to use a lot or, you know, I know for anybody who wants to hire me, I know how to do everything on illustrator and Photoshop and PDFs and whatever. I can do any, anything and everything, but I'm not as proficient as, you know, I see. And I learned almost, Like Jesse, for example. I see a video of his. He'll do something. I'm like, well, that saves me hours because I'm so backwards in how I use the program. And I almost feel like that is the punk element for me is I'm using this program so backwards. I am shaking it and trying to get the most crunchy, fucked up thing out of really... advanced technological decades of development they put into illustrator you know and I'm just like I want to draw with my finger and I want it to look like like it came out of like the crappiest printer and it's been on a wall for ever yeah totally yeah I kind of I
SPEAKER_04:love that no you know what dude like and I'll just take ownership of this if you want to jump on the bandwagon let's fucking drive this shit but I'm going to do a little bit of a shots fired at graphic designers. And I'm a graphic designer. Oh, okay. Well, you're fine. But this is, this is, this is the thing is like, people are so program centric. Like they're like, they're so obsessed with like, this is how do you do this in Photoshop? Or how do you do this in illustrator? And it becomes more about like the tutorial or like, you know, how to develop this style. But I feel what happens is you forget what the intention of design is as a whole and it's communication, right? And so I'm going to give an example here of one of my best friends, Zach. Shout out, Zach, if he's listening. Once upon a time, he... I think it was for a job interview for some sort of like organic farm. I forget what it was. It's some sort of like design mixed with like the world of organics, right? And so when he sent in his app, there's like a questionnaire or something. So when he sent it in, instead of just like typing it up and having cool typefaces and all this stuff, What he did is he answered all the questions and he got a pair of scissors and he went to some tall grass and he cut in the grass all of his answers and photographed them from a ladder top down, right? And he compiled this whole thing together in a design. And it's just like this total Stefan Sagmeister left of center approach to design. It's like, I'm working with like a farm or whatever it was. I'm cutting into the land. I'm answering the questions. That's a unique perspective, and that, to me, is what design should be about. It should not be like, how to achieve a CRT TV effect. It's like, no, just get a fucking CRT TV if you want that. Yeah,
SPEAKER_02:I always wondered about that. Well, the CRT thing, because I'm like, why are we emulating a lot of things when it's still there? I
SPEAKER_04:guess at the end of the day, it's just like, I think don't feel any shame for the trackpad. Like you need to lead the ship. There's going to be, there's gotta be a generation of little Joel's to come. We're going to use a trackpad.
SPEAKER_02:I wonder, you know, I would like to people, I would like someone to come at me about it. Cause I'm like, I'm the most like hippied out on this design shit. I'm like, I think you should be, we should be drawing smiley faces and fucking flowers and it should be just the chillest shit ever. Um, art should be like life it should be fun and it should be sad it should be exciting it should be boring it should be everything so it's funny to it's funny that there'd be any and you know like i said since i don't think i i don't totally think of myself as a graphic designer in the graphic design community i kind of avoid a lot of If there is drama, I don't know. I just don't even... Yeah. It's like a privilege to be able to make art and not have to deal with that competitive side of it or something. For sure. Yeah. I feel very lucky. I don't even know. Maybe it's ignorant, but I don't even know who I... who else is doing the exact thing that I'm trying to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of one, baby. It's lonely. I was going to say it's lonely at the top. It's lonely in the middle. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:You had said that you like this idea of finding the little morsel of a big picture. And you got this new album coming out called Jesus. And... The first song is honestly the song that grabbed me the most. I believe it's called On Your Floor. And to me, we all know what that experience is like. It's talking all night on your floor. And that's it, period. And we've been there. We know the feelings you get. We know... the warm fuzzy comfortable blanket that is that moment that experience you know and how deep and how sour sorrowful how fun it can be whatever you want it to be and sometimes it fluctuates all within all of those feelings it's almost like just a conversation on the floor can almost mimic just the human experience, you know? So do I feel like, or I'm kind of curious, like, do you take that little morsel of an idea that you could make into this meme-y, graphic-y design, non-graphic-y design illustration thing and translate it into the song? Is that like where it comes? Do you think there's like a relationship, I guess? I don't really know what the connection is, but I feel like there's a connection there somewhere, you know?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I don't, it's funny because I don't know if they like one for one like exist, right? next to each other but and that's maybe a little intentional where the the similarity lies a lot in just the process of of like i the ideating and like processing the idea so the outcome i think i knew I don't know if there's a way to make a drawing into a picture. There's a way to do that. I don't know if there's a way to make a drawing into a song. Sure, sure. Because I think people, yeah, have tried that. Like, hey, this picture is this song. And I think that that remains to be seen. But I think that if you put things through... The same thought process and the same thinking, but you're just using instruments instead of brushes and whatever things on a computer. I guess brushes also is what they call them on the computer. But you put them through this similar process. the same idea through similar processes with different medium, then you kind of do just end up in a space where they feel, yeah, there's ambiguity and a similarity that they kind of could exist next to each other. Yeah. And I think that what is the through line is the poetry of it. So I think if I put words from the song into a drawing, then... It's almost like creating your own reference material, actually. So like how I said you could take from Paddington, you could take from your own art. Almost like sampling it, you know. And I do that process a lot, I think, now that I'm in maybe two years of making solo music. Yeah. I think there's so much stuff I go and grab from a drawing. And then likewise, I go and grab from the song and put that into a drawing. Yeah. And I think one of the biggest compliments I've gotten from anybody who's just heard this record that's unreleased and the stuff that's out is that it does feel like it feels the same as the drawings. Yeah, yeah. And so... hard to do. I don't know if I set out to do that, but I, it feels like it to me also.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. I feel like, I feel like there's just, it, maybe it's just authorship, you know? And like, it's just, it's all coming through your vessel, your brain, your heart, your soul, you know?
SPEAKER_02:When that's like a total accomplishment, like, uh, validation of artistic expression like okay that means what i'm what i'm making in any medium is expressive and true because i can be consistent across these different things and yeah and say the same thing a bunch of ways yeah and have this a similar voice essentially you know is in art it's hard to beyond it it is hard to be untrue it sucks to be uh false you make something and it doesn't feel real or honest and again yeah i feel super lucky that when i make even band merch somehow it's an honest thing yeah you know a lot of people have to go to work and make a logo for like hbo max or whatever My friend has that job. And that sucks. But you probably get paid a lot more than
SPEAKER_04:me. I know he does. Oh, you can make bread in that world if you want. Yeah, for sure. All
SPEAKER_03:right.
SPEAKER_04:So the new album that's coming, Jesus, you've got two tracks. with someone who i adore may powell yeah and also shout out to you which is where i met you karina i don't know if you remember this but she was the one who introduced you and i
SPEAKER_02:on the music video
SPEAKER_04:and um yeah first of all thank you for coming to that people like you is what made that particular set really fun and i'm
SPEAKER_02:really excited that i haven't seen that
SPEAKER_04:i can it'll it'll come it'll come um But that being said, as a big fan of May's, what was it like writing some music and then working with May? And how did that process go? Have you guys been talking? Did you have an idea and you hit her up? How did that all go about?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I mean, I love May. I feel like for a long time we've been talking about doing some stuff together, just kind of like... that would be fun. Um, and yeah, she's such a great singer. And I had these songs that I recorded in New York that had kind of like, uh, reference the backup vocals and some parts like that. Um, we, we ended up, we did three songs together, but yeah, two of them are on this kind of final record. Um, But all three songs are so awesome. And, yeah, I had the songs with the ideas, and then one day on a sunny, let's call it September day, maybe, maybe October. It was pretty hot, actually. So, yeah, maybe that's hot in the Bay, though, is like September, end of September.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I wonder when the hell it would have been. Anyways, it was hot. An idealistic sunny day. I know. Well, it's nice out today, so I'm just dreaming of when it will be nice for the next three months, four months. Yeah, totally. But yeah, it was a nice sunny day, and I went over to May's house, and we kind of sat down and... She just ran through the references, and then there's a song that we did together called My Favorite Version of Me that she made some parts up for, too. It's kind of like a vocal row, like acapella, yeah, vocal jam. And so, yeah, it was nice to be collaborating with her. We really, you know, just had a really good time. And yeah. And then those songs are like my favorite songs ever.
SPEAKER_04:Just a beautiful hangout and do some beautiful songs. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And I was surprised, I guess, to learn then that she hasn't done that much like collaborative stuff. And so I kind of like pride myself and continue to pride myself on like showing up to a recording and being able to like have ideas and be confident and like I think that making music can be such an isolating process sometimes and And similar to working daily drawing to just have a routine and consistent rules and parameters or whatever around making, I think you can take that into making music and then really show up in a recording scenario with other people and be able to collaborate really well. Yeah. That... has never come easy, but I think with May, it felt super natural. And then, yeah, I was surprised like, oh, you don't do this all the time. Like we just had a blast. We should do this all the time. Totally. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:No, that's so rad. I love that.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. I
SPEAKER_04:know I'm jumping all over the place here, but that is me in a nutshell, but I'm realizing one thing that I'm kind of curious about because I've known about it from afar and is honey TV. And I don't know if it's still a thing. I know there was a storefront involved and I know I'm jumping from music over to visual, but I feel again, that's the ADD in me.
SPEAKER_02:I think that's the beauty of all this stuff is it does all play together. Like honey TV is a t-shirt company that my friend, Sam class started in like 2020. maybe 18 2017 and um it kind of originated as the depot or like garage sale for all of the mom jeans just friends graduating life and those were all these bands that were touring um that era yeah like 20 maybe 15 to 2019 or something and and just friends still tours mom jeans still tours but At that time, it was like very DIY kind of community of those bands. And so we had this web store that just got rid of tour leftovers. And that's how it originated. And so that was all based out of Sam's mom's garage in Dublin, California. And so, yeah, most days, if we weren't on tour back then, we would be kind of organizing stuff and shipping out orders. And it was a very, very punk, fun thing to do. I think Sam was really inspired by Asian Man Records. Yeah, it's a very similar Bay Area, homegrown... ethos to that. Yeah. And I think, yeah, Sam, maybe help Mike Park pack stuff too. So I think that that is the core of that idea, you know? And then, then in like 2021, There's like this civil unrest and protest and all the BLM and I think tied in with the pandemic and just, you know, social chaos, everything, a boiling point there. I was doing some art for our friends who were protesting and making signs and donating money to like mutual aid funds. And so... Then I think we were able to use that kind of machine we built to sell leftover merch, uh, into just like, all right, we're going to shift gears and like fundraise and just like try to make something good happen. Cause also we've been out of work for, you know, we had all, you know, everyone was around then, I guess, who's listening to this. And if you weren't that crazy, um, but, and then, yeah. There's like
SPEAKER_04:a baby listening to this. right now that wasn't
SPEAKER_02:pulling yet shout out to the babies yeah I don't I guess you want to be five years old maybe but anyways um then we actually raised a lot of money I think like somewhere in the ballpark like 150 200 thousand dollars for yeah like mutual aid and that's so cool and like food banks and from selling t-shirts yeah like insane well yeah yeah That is the revenue. Profit had to be somewhere like 60% or whatever. Like we had to pay for the shirt to be printed or whatever. But it was like such a crazy amount of money that we were like, okay. And like a volume of shipping t-shirts. So we had to move from the garage eventually into a bigger place. And so... Kind of related to like pandemic pricing, we got a very sweet deal on the storefront on University in Berkeley. And that kind of was our shipping hub. And eventually there was a small storefront area that was like a t-shirt store. And I think after... or rather when touring and the music industry kind of came back, then it all folded back into that again, where now we have like, we've released records, we've done collaborative band merch for all sorts of pop punk, hardcore, indie, pop, you know, everybody. And it spans like, you know, bands with, you know, 5 million, 10 million, whatever, the biggest bands. And then we also still try to do collabs with our friends who are touring on the smaller side of things. And we release music from... all the people in that same little community still. So,
SPEAKER_04:so like essentially like a record label type of vibe, but
SPEAKER_02:it's funny because it's just everything again, like, okay, there's no record label that wants to put this out. Like we'll just do it. Okay. There's no, but
SPEAKER_04:not claiming that it's honey TV records. It's just honey. It's just,
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I think on Spotify it says honey. Okay. Like on the distribution tab, but yeah, kind of very much a vibe, but, um, yeah, we had the storefront until, um, October of 24. So really just like recently and now being five or six months removed from that, uh, I realized that that was pretty crazy to have a warehouse, our studio, you know, we filmed music videos there. We had a big photo wall in the back, we'd have parties and I had like a painting, uh, show there where i showed all these paintings that i made we had shows yeah it was just like total it wasn't as crazy as it could be i feel like if we were 22 and we had this place it would have been like just absolutely just idiots but i think we were a bit adult with it. So does
SPEAKER_04:it still go on or like, is it still a functioning brand or is
SPEAKER_02:it? Yeah. So the brand continues like in kind of just a web space. Like we have like a 3PL or it's just like a third party fulfillment. There's words that nobody should know we're talking about, but we have like a shipping partner. Gotcha. Yeah. And they're awesome. And so we're able to like, still have a brand but we don't have like a physical space sure sure yeah and we and we don't totally need it to function like and it makes our lives easier when we're on tour to not have a physical place that needs somebody to staff it and somebody to stock it and yeah
SPEAKER_04:that's cool I know that like I mean I've seen some of the shirts that you've designed I'm assuming you've designed the vast majority of them
SPEAKER_02:yeah so okay then that is my role and it is I'm pretty much just like the creative director or like you know and since there's six of us that do it like with varying degrees of involvement but like pretty much everybody has to do everything like it is it's a small operation that The lines of everything are blurred, but I'd say mostly consistently I do 99% of the design. Cody, who is also part of Honey TV, he does all of the photo stuff. He is an awesome photographer, and he does some really cool design stuff too. So sometimes if something doesn't look like it's me, then it's him. Gotcha. we kind of handle everything. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:All the visuals.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:That's, that sounds cool. And also like doing it with six friends. I mean, that's kind of a beautiful thing in itself, you know?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I mean, I would say the opening a storefront is everyone going to tell you like, Oh my God, like it's so much harder than you think it's going to be. Like, it's going to be so much work. Like you can't even comprehend how much work it's going to take to do it. And so I think you hear that as somebody like ambitious, like I'm going to open this thing, like, okay, but it's going to be hard. Like, I can't even imagine how hard it's going to be. And then you go do it. It is so much more fucking hard than you can even pretend. I thought you were going the other way with this. I know. It's like even every decision and thing that needs to be done branches off into two. five to 10 other, like it is an incomprehensible task to do. Like, I still don't get, we did it for four years. I still have no, if I went and did it again right now, I have no fucking clue.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Dude, I thought you were like going the other way with this, being like DIY, like, dude, just fucking do
SPEAKER_02:it. I wish it was easy. To do it actually on paper, like legally, financially responsibly, Impossible. I don't think there's a single... And then you go to a restaurant or a store and you realize, oh, they're just fucking doing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Eat there, but... That's funny, dude. It's punk rock, you know? Shoutouts to all the small businesses. Yeah, yeah, I see you, I know what's going on. Yeah, the cafe, I'm like, I know what the fuck this is. That's fucking funny,
SPEAKER_04:man. Okay,
SPEAKER_03:dude,
SPEAKER_04:so I got this section called the bedroom banter. Hard-hitting questions. What's true to you on this day and this day alone? Okay, Bedroom Banter. First question. What are you listening to right now, and who are some of your all-time favorite bands slash musicians?
SPEAKER_02:Well, on the way over here, I listened to this artist, Elias Ronenfelt. I think that's how you say his name. He's from Denmark, and he kind of has a super slackadaisical kind of... Maybe new wavy, but it's cool. It's like, it's like bedroom rock, but from like the eighties or something. It's pretty cool. So I like that. I've also listened to, uh, Jonathan Lindor, who is, uh, he's from Sweden. He's also goes by young lane. Uh, he's like a rapper, Swedish rapper, but his solo project, which is just his name, uh, is uh similar it's like kind of rocky yeah 70s 80s just rock but like done with modern kind of but not not even like modern pop but just like on a computer you can tell that it isn't totally like tape machining like And then that's a flip side. Then I love like May's music is a good example where like that is done to be of the era of like this 60s, 70s. I keep going back even. But it's done to have that actual analog feel. And I think like, yeah, with my music, I like it to be the music I listen to. I like it to show me something new while like also here's a bunch of old stuff. Yeah. Yeah, so I think that Swedish and Danish emo boy rock is what I'm listening to these days. And then my favorite of all time. I think the furthest I go back lately of all time. Oh my God. And I can't. Today though. Here's the thing. It's
SPEAKER_04:like you think of one, you're going to leave one off. That's just how it's going to be. Well,
SPEAKER_02:yeah.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I'll tell you later who I mostly listen to. But today it's not. I think my go-to is usually Weezer. I love Weezer so much. I feel like they haven't put out a good record in 20 years. But I think that the first four or five records are unimpeachably just awesome. He's such a songwriter savant. Totally. like totally what i respect is he has a process of like listening to old music regurgitating like a chord progression writing lyrics he has his folders different folders in a computer with lyrics and and reference songs and then he re-records the chord progression to be like more weaselry and This is actually great. I'm just regurgitating an episode of Song Exploder. So it's pretty much just like that's his process. You don't have to listen to that whole thing.
SPEAKER_04:No, Weezer's the shit, man. I mean, with the caveat of old Weezer is the shit.
SPEAKER_02:There is one good song at least on every Weezer record. So you can find solace in that. Even the worst one, which I think is called like... Weezer, Zeppelin, or Led Weezer or something. It's a bad record, but Heavy Metal Girl, awesome song. And it's kind of, what's cool is I think it actually is similar. He's doing the same thing that these young European boys, these adult European male 30-year-old men, the same thing they're doing, he's doing. He's referencing the 60s and the 70s, but he's putting it through his filter. I guess I have a lot of respect for that process of just taking old and making it new.
SPEAKER_04:What about who are some of your favorite local bands and musicians in the Bay?
SPEAKER_02:Quite a political question. Wait,
SPEAKER_04:why? Stop Why? Well,
SPEAKER_02:the favorite local band. You don't want to leave
SPEAKER_04:people off or something?
SPEAKER_02:Well, I love everybody. I think, you know, it's funny because I think that Mom Gene gets a lot of hate. I would just love to put respect. I work for them and am best friends with them forever. So I think that they are just awesome. And I have so much pride and respect. a good feeling about everything that we've done and so accomplished, you know? So I like respect on MomJune's. But then I think my favorite band in the bay yeah okay i think i really like uh sour widows i think that they're the best hell yeah this is funny because it's not even like my favorite it's like i think they're the best band um yeah they're just awesome the guitars are crazy and the vocals are amazing and the drums are so good and the the bass like every time i listen to the latest record i'm just like totally taken aback Taking a bag like, oh damn, everyone should hear this. Shout out to Maya. Yeah, Maya, Susanna, awesome.
SPEAKER_04:They performed, I've seen them perform once live at the Academy of Sciences. Oh man, yeah, that would have been so good. They were so good, dude.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think... I think honestly, the last time I've seen them play, I, I, I recognize it as just great, you know, they, they can do no wrong, but I think, yeah, the first time I saw them play, it was just so, it just blew my mind. I was like, I've been doing this type of music. Like, I don't even know what to call it. Just like indie, indie rock, DIY kind of thing for like, at least 14 years now. Like I booked shows in high school that were similar genre to this, you know? And so I've seen a lot of people do it. I think I have a nostalgia for it so that's definitely when I see them play I'm thinking oh man this reminded me of like this basement in fucking Florida or whatever this weird band I saw in Sweden or something and yeah I can just like pinpoint my life by it's the soundtrack of your life man yeah and so they listen to some of this they like some of the same bands from that era like Pile and their record or label exploding and sound is like a hub for all of that kind of music and so yeah it just really struck me i didn't know anybody was really making music like that anymore to that caliber and so yeah they're just they're totally the best shout out sour widows man damn shout out yeah sour widows and mom jeans hell yeah i don't know what the crossover is but if you like both those bands we can be friends
SPEAKER_04:All right, who's some of your favorite visual artists? I was just
SPEAKER_02:looking at this, like, Black Flag thing or whatever. I really like Ramon Pettibone. He's great. He's, like, the OG, in my opinion, like, graphic designer, gone fine artist. Yeah, I think they have a lot of... Yeah. Yeah, and you know what? He was born in Tucson, Arizona, which is where I was born. Oh, sick. I'm fucking with that dude heavy. Tight. I see my... similar to his not like I really paid attention I guess to I don't know the specifics of his career so much but I do graphic design for punk bands and have been in that scene for a decade plus and I turn and I try to make it more whatever, fine art, and I have a deeper practice that is more personal and less commercialized, I guess. Yeah,
SPEAKER_04:I mean, I can see the relationship. There's parallels for sure.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and when I found out he was born in Tucson, I was like, that's fucking awesome. That's my guy. Yeah, that's my guy. Yeah, I think that I relate more to, like... some painters like Matisse and like Picasso I like those kinds of like abstract like the more abstract portions of their careers that are simplifying things like Matisse the cutouts overplayed I think but incredibly communicative and simple yeah just wow that's awesome um Picasso, he could have been a little more simple, actually. He got a little weird. But yeah, I'd say Matisse and Pettibone. I have both their books on my coffee table, so I think about them often. Favorite movies. I historically really like Spaceballs. I feel like that's a perfect movie. I feel like movies back then, every single thing anyone says is totally... uh quotable and and written and sometimes you watch a movie now they're just mumbling the whole time and nothing iconic which maybe actually does tie in like i do like the the quotable morsel thing to happen the one-liners and yeah second favorite and the same reasoning rationale is uh is it called point break yeah yeah Keanu Reeves
SPEAKER_04:and Patrick Swayze
SPEAKER_02:so good and I think that every single line totally quotable totally perfect and I'm like you could write a concept album only using words from this in order and it would be a beautiful like it would be beautiful yeah yeah poetic awesome movies baseballs and point break i love
SPEAKER_04:that
SPEAKER_02:the
SPEAKER_04:yin and
SPEAKER_02:the yang yeah yeah
SPEAKER_04:um what about your favorite animated joint could be a movie anime cartoon short film
SPEAKER_02:you know i think as a whole like i think adventure time is totally my favorite animated series and it's the same thing it's heartfelt quotable um i think that the art style like isn't 100% my total favorite thing ever but it it communicates the the feeling of it so well like it's so goofy and and yeah that's a great great show and then I think maybe like the flip side of that coin is uh I really like this new Hayao Miyazaki um the boy in the hair yeah I thought that that was psychedelic and like scary I actually think a lot of their movies are really scary I'm not a big like horror or scary movie person so that's when things are just freaking out and like morphing and there's like that's enough to be scary to me but I think that that's kind of cool that they take it to the that's the beauty of animation is that you can do anything. So they should be doing like more crazy visual feats. Um, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Miyazaki is a legend.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:What about favorite video games?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I kind of just been a Pokemon guy. I like Tetris. I love Tetris. I think a game like that, or I really love word games. Like I'll do the crossword puzzle. I'm more of that kind of like single little, brain puzzle game person yeah yeah what about what gets you stoked lately just friends and like my girlfriend and life and the bay like just being here is so it's like warmness embodied like you know even on a cold or any day it's like wow i feel so happy to be here and yeah berkeley Berkeley gets me stoked. Hell yeah. What about your favorite local food joint? I want to say something like curry and cool, but I think it's actually going to... I hope it's not out of touch, but I really like the standard fare sandwich that they have on any given day. It's just so delicious and it feels healthy even though it's just like butter. But I like that you can get some organic, nice, healthy food in Berkeley. There's a bunch of places like that that I... I feel like, yeah, living in Las Vegas, there's nothing healthy there. Yeah, you don't get access to that. So, yeah, any place that kind of embraces the Californianess of it, you know. Now I'm
SPEAKER_04:looking for some shots fired. What's overrated? I
SPEAKER_02:just hate when people complain.
SPEAKER_01:so
SPEAKER_02:i think that complaining is overrated i'm like the most uh like i brace and get through whatever situation adversarial like bullshit thing um and so when people complain about like like oh this you know pizza the pizza sauce is too saucy it's like what the fuck do you have to deal with ever like that is so absurd um in the band space like people complain about every little thing like like I don't know this is this might make me seem just like detached from it but like even when people complain like oh the venue is taking like a merch cut right okay sure I agree with that that's stupid duh but like Just deal with it. Like, and I'm not saying pay it. I'm saying figure out how to get out of that and don't complain about it. Cause like at the end of the day, you're just dealing with something that sucks and you should have the like ability and strength and confidence to deal with whatever situation. I don't want to read about it on the internet. I've dealt with all kinds of crap. You don't see me going online complaining about it all the time. So complaining overrated.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:for sure. And, and come with, come at me with any complaint and I will tell you what. Yeah. But then, then that's complaining about complaining. So
SPEAKER_04:I love it. No, that's so good. Start a sentence by saying Patrick Sean Gibson is and finish it how you'd like.
SPEAKER_02:Patrick Sean Gibson is late to recording the episode Joel Cherry Tree podcast. Oh my God, I got called out. God damn it. But it was all good. I walked around the studio space and it was pretty cool. Dude, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I had to. That's good.
SPEAKER_04:I love that though. Okay, my dude, what's next?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I mean, this year I'm not really touring or doing work on the road, so it's a lot of traveling for fun. Yeah, I'm going to go to South By in a couple days, so that's kind of fun in Austin, Texas. My friends are getting married there also, not at South By, but in Austin, so I'll go there. I'm doing some ceramic collab with my friend Chris, who's a great potter, Chris Long Pottery. He's great. We'll do some stuff together. And then I go to– well, then I do work a little bit. I go to UK, Ireland with Just Friends, and we do a two-and-a-half-week tour. But a lot of it's just hanging out in Dublin and then hanging out in Bristol. That's going to be awesome. And then I'm home for a couple weeks. I'm putting out some music. singles and things for a few months um and then i go to europe for vacation with my girlfriend that's awesome i'm excited probably going to go to primavera music festival some friends are playing that um and da da da and then i think mom jeans is playing warp tour so that's kind of fun that's in the summer we are so back yeah uh you know every time we announce a show or festival thing I look to see if there's anything I want to see and I think that we've just done so many similar things to that Warped Tour style that at this point I've seen every band there and I'm kind of like I will be watching Mom Jeans and I think on our day Less Than Jake plays after us so I'm going to watch Less Than Jake they're fun to watch But also because I won't have to go very far from the stage. And then at the end of the year, we just do some other traveling festival dates. But it's a very light year in terms of touring and music work. I probably will be drawing on Instagram the whole time because... That's fun. And I'm open for client work. Hell yeah, dude. That's a whole year on a platter.
SPEAKER_04:All right, man. One last thing. Show the homies some love. Let's get a list of some shout outs.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I would shout out Mae Powell. She has a new song out that's awesome. I love that. Yeah, Mild Universe is also... Mae sings in that band, but Sam Jones is awesome. Karina is awesome. Sour Widows, yeah, I said they were great. I would say all of the Mom Jeans, Just Friends, Bart from Mom Jeans has a band called Chain right now that's putting out a record that's so awesome, like new metal, like deftones kind of thing. Yeah, I have music, Joel Cherrytree, I will shout out myself. And yeah, that's kind of my... close circle it's those people
SPEAKER_04:hell yeah
SPEAKER_02:yeah
SPEAKER_04:well thank you so much for coming to the bedroom joel
SPEAKER_02:yeah thank you for having me
SPEAKER_03:it was fun
SPEAKER_04:what's up everybody how we living thanks for listening to this episode it's not over yet though i'm really excited to share with you an exclusive early release off of joel's upcoming album this song it's called your floor and it kind of just brings a tear to my eye i'm not gonna lie i love it i love this track it's a great album can't wait for everyone to hear it thank you joel for coming on to the pod and go support his music online you can find him you got a computer use your fingies all right y'all peace out sauerkrauts so
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